implosion

Monday, October 9, 2006

Implosion

Well, they did it.

The Democratic People’s Republic of Korea set off a nuclear weapon at about 10 AM local time.

The bomb, which was detonated underground, was estimated to have a yield anywhere between 4 and 15 kilotons of TNT.

Naturally, numerous countries across the world, even the People’s Republic of China, immediately condemned the act, while North Korea’s UN ambassador, Pak Gil Yon, said that they should be congratulated for “a great leap forward in the building of a great, prosperous, powerful Socialist nation.”

Negro please, no one is going to congratulate you, especially the United States. Matter of fact, why in the hell do you deserve congratulations for introducing more nuclear weapons into this world, practically inviting severe sanctions on your backwards little shit of a country, and thereby endangering the lives of your already suffering “great socialist comrades?” Oh wait, I forgot. North Korea Doesn’t Care About Yellow People Humanity.

Well then Mr. Yon, allow me to appeal to the only thing your brain seems to understand–war. It’s no secret to anyone with two brain cells to rub together that the United States expresses an interest in invading and conquering your country, the major reason likely being to remove a thorn from its mighty foot. And you want nuclear weapons as a deterrent against invasion. Understandable, except for one thing. Now that you possess the technology and know-how to make a working nuclear weapon, your country poses a legitimate threat to the United States and two important allies, Japan and South Korea since its no secret that you hate the United States, (who doesn’t?) Japan and, despite your relentless propaganda, the people of South Korea.

Expect the United States Marine Corps to be storming Haeju soon, Mr. Yon. Congratulations, you and the Korean People’s Army have successfully sped up the demise of your own country.

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Anonymous
said…

yes interesting!

Woozie

I am 41 and I am living in ireland so I suppose I am irish as I was born here too. But I find nationality a bit of a bore. I was asked what a communist was and I wasn’t sure. I think its bad food, bad music, stalin, lenin, nuclear weapons, Karl Marx, crp clothes, depression, etc. Maybe i’m wrong as the impression I have, I haev picked up from other things around me like tv etc. So venturing further I looked up the internet and came across your website and I read your blog and looked at your portrait, as your website states some dogmatic thoughts on the subject I thought you could help me! Could you explain in detailed terms what a communist is? Or what Communism is? This might appear strange and my fullest apologies if it comes across as so. I would prefer to be anonymous if thats ok but feel free to ask questions.


Ayman
said…

The people demand answers!!!!!!


Ayman
said…

Breaking News over at CWTR


Anonymous
said…

I can’t get that tv station here in Ireland! Sky news is what we get. Do you know what a communist is or what communism is…………i’m still puzzled…….lots of differing views everywhere I look and read………what’s the difference between a communist and a socialist or what the difference between the two ism’s?

Pardon for taking your time!


Woozie
said…

I’m workin on it, hold on a sec.


The Reverend Jon Boles
said…

I know I’m an asshole for saying it, but as far as I’m concerned, I say go for it. We let Israel and India have ’em, let North Korea and Iran do it if they want. I think proliferation of nukes sucks, but considering how bad the human race sucks as a whole, I think that if it enhances the chance that our species will self-destruct, it’s almost a good thing.


Woozie
said…

Well I guess simply put, a communist would be anyone who believes in or participates in communism.

Communism is ideally a utopian society where humans are so perfect and happy that they share everything they need, do no wrong and therefore need no government. However in reality communism doesn’t exist. Countries like China, North Korea, the former Soviet Union, although they were all socialist police states (except for China) they were labeled as communist states by everyone else, and they eventually picked it up themselves despite that they were actually socialist police states.

Socialism and communism are related because according to Karl Marx, “father” of communism (or socialism, one of those isms), in order to have a communist society, the country must first go through socialism or some wacky crap like that. I’m not too sure on all of this, it’s been a good 2 years since I’ve studied communism either in or out of school. You could see the wikipedia article for more info.

I am curious as to how you found my blog though, I google searched communism and went through about 10 pages without finding this place.


Woozie
said…

I think that if it enhances the chance that our species will self-destruct, it’s almost a good thing.

And I thought you couldn’t get any more pessimistic! What was I thinking?


The Reverend Jon Boles
said…

Communism is an ideology where there is no social classification, and government control exists over production. Socialism is a tenet of multiple political ideologies where property and wealth distribution are controlled, but not necessarily by the government, but rather through worker’s councils or the people themselves. As Woozie suggested, I’d reccomend going to somewhere like Wikipedia and reading the information on both topics, as there is a ton of depth to the subject that can only be clarified further through more reading.


Anonymous
said…

Lucky I actually googled ‘communism is over’. Largely because I thought it was in all of my naivity. I find it interesting your running a politically motivated blog, I don’t think I have the wherewithall to do such a thing. I like my anonymity too much.

“Communism is ideally a utopian society where humans are so perfect and happy that they share everything they need, do no wrong and therefore need no government”……isn’t that what hippies were or some anarchists are……….it sounds like a self help group that didn’t work out!

I think there is very little difference between my government, the north Korean government and any other government or the US government for instance……were are all servile….as citizens …..isn’t that the case! We are all told to believe in one side……and we decide! Possibly after being brainwashed to pieces.


The Reverend Jon Boles
said…

Come on Woozie, did you really expect me to champion the possibility of humanity actually getting itself together and living in harmony? That’s a future that’ll never come. Ok? It doesn’t exist. The only thing that will come from humanity? War, genocide, religious nationalism, terrorism, imperialism, and militarization of ecnomies and populations. And that’s if we survive climate change and oil depletion, which looks to kill most of us off a lot better than nukes or Bush ever could.

Either way, we’re fucked.

Now, THAT is pessimism, but it also happens to be true, which gives it that authenticity and “oomph” to burn it into your head for good.


Woozie
said…

…consider it burned.


Anonymous
said…

Thanks for your advice guys…..I feel sometimes that if I take stuff I read on face value my education is in the hands of others, and authentification of the information is important and misinformation is usually the root of all evil..and sorry for interfering I won’t bother staying any longer as I am sure my question might get irritating…..I just find it all puzzling and I find the definitions available, to be similar to my own capitalist world…..the left is the new right as we say here..I wonder is that world wide.I thought the capitalist bought communism out……….the isms are where the problems begin I reckon. Bon chance!!


Ayman
said…

I have nothing furhter to add at this venture…. CWTR™


Lord Omar
said…

True Marxian economy “Socialism”, has never occurred anywhere in the world.

Believe it or not.


eccentric recluse
said…

Great minds think alike. (Many of the rest of us too…).

I think that it is time to treat this country like an equal. Give them no quarter, or advantage that they don’t pay for, and let them live with the consequences of their inaction towards the well-being of their people.

Let the magnificent socialist revolution feed them and keep them warm this winter.


eccentric recluse
said…

Humankind is incapable of Marxian or true Communist government. Read “Animal Farm“. As long as there is a shred of envy and greed in the world, the workers utopia will not be realized.

Just my $0.02.


Black Santa
said…

Cheer up, ho.


Lord Omar
said…

Humankind is incapable of Marxian or true Communist government

Why?

Because George Orwell wrote a fiction novel stating so???

Nigga please.


Lord Omar
said…

What up Black Santa?

cool avatar.


Woozie
said…

Santa in Blackface? Okay this is ridiculous.


White Jesus
said…

Yeah. Too many fucking niggers. I say we burn them! Anyone with me?


Lord Omar
said…

Did you bring the petrol White Jesus?


White Jesus
said…

No. Fucking sand niggarish towelheads in OPEC keep raising gas prices. Us poor white people can’t afford $2.50 a gallon fixing carbueretors at Taxaco.


Lord Omar
said…

Fuck you white jerkoff, you live in heaven don’t you?? How poor is that? Go home motherfucker! Quit slumming!


Gadfly
said…

Nihilism is such a bore

As is white jesus


Lord Omar
said…

That is true, but I’d rather be a nihilist then a realist.

Bearwolph
said…

So the fuck what! They nuked an old mine, big deal. Every country in the world has one it seems, and if they want to act like a big dog so be it. As long as they don’t start no shit, there won’t be no shit. And I’m sure they know that there little test just put the entire world on “wish status”. You know, we wish a motherfucker would! (It might be a black thing)
Maybe the US Republican Government will actually invade North Korea, I think they’ve made it clear that they have WMD’s. Go get’em Georgie Boy!


Margaret
said…

I wish, but I have a feeling that is exactly what they want us to do. I smell a set-up.


Black Santa
said…

Cheer up, Ho.


Kurak
said…

The only problem I see with Korea having nukes is that they are a bunch of trigger happy rice eaters who won’t hessitate to use them if necessary. Even the religious zealots in the middle East would hesitate before using something of that destructive power, but earlier this year Korea was shooting off missles like rappers shooting off illegitimate children. They actually are dangerous with nukes. Even though the Apocalypse is supposed to come 2012 I sure as hell would like to see it and not get blown up by those commie Hundai makers.

And the icon is M.A.N.T.I.S. a black superhero from a 1994 tv show.

And Bobby- you should start your own philosphy. You’d love it in TOK


K nig Hasem rder
said…

If one nation has a nuclear bomb, every nation should have one.


SCORPIOS LOVE TO FUCK
said…

And we’re a bunch of trigger happy Big Mac eaters.


Big Ben
said…

I think it will be several years if not decades before the U.S. does anything about North Korea. They must let the dust settle from the mid-east debacle before the ever set forward in that neck of the woods.


Gadfly
said…

I’m more comfortable being a scientist.

Which is why sociology is such a nasty business. The human mind is not only capable of, but usually does — build it’s own internal motivations that are completely divorced from quantifiable factors. Humans are EASILY capable of acting against their own best interests.

Even though the two Cold War super powers could erase humanity at a single stroke … sometimes I miss the Soviet Union. They would at least act in their own best interests.

Kim Il dipshit and Abracadabra in Iran are acting out of delusions and worse.

I’m at the point that I’m thinking Borg implants might not be such a bad idea — and I’m a vehement individualist.

No, I take that back. Humans are hardwired to go do find conquer build — but if we keep that up on this overpopulated rock we’re all going to die. We need to get people off this rock so they can take the leash off and go be psychotic finders and doers and builders like nature commands us too in our genetics.

That way at least one population of humans might live long enough to conquer its inherent bad programming.


Raspootin
said…

This is a complex issue of what to do. To do nothing or to do not knowing what North Korea will do.

By this I mean “nothing” as sanctions and “to do not knowing” a contemplation of invasion; war.

Leave it to the Chinese to figure it out. They will take any decisive action needed. We are already at war/odds with 35% of the world and certainly can not take on more… unless the US decides to evoke a draft…


Vengelyne
said…

Would putting pressure on them stop them from further nuclear testing? Heh…


White and Nerdy
said…

White and Nerdy


The Reverend Jon Boles
said…

Sanctions is a shitty alternative to warfare. In Iraq, for example, sanctions were placed and it did nothing to curb Saddam’s power. It did however starve to death and further impoverish the civilian population. How about the sanctions on Cuba, where the population became further impoverished and without much industry after the collapse of the Soviet Union? It didn’t stop Castro from maintaining power. I would think the regime in North Korea wouldn’t lose their grip, either.

It is interesting to note the following from Wayne Madsen Report:

“Although observers were surprised that North Korea conducted their test before the November 7 U.S. election, handing a national security plum to the Bush administration, others point to the test coming on the even of the UN Security Council vote hours before the selection of the replacement for Kofi Annan as Secretary General.The South Korean Foreign Minister, Ban Ki-moon, a “non-denominational Korean Christian,” is believed to have links to the Unification Church, GOP, and Bush supporter Sun Myung Moon. Sun Myung Moon also has significant economic interests in North Korea, reportedly partly owning a hotel in Pyongyang and a North Korean Fiat automobile plant. The low yield North Korean A-test, conveniently timed on the eve of the Security Council vote on Ban Ki-moon, may forestall any Security Council permanent member veto on Ban Ki-moon considering his nationality and popularity as an intermediary with North Korea.”

Madsen also reports via intelligence sources that the yield of the tested device is being hyped up to pump a hysteria and paint a propagandistic version of a heightened Korean menace. Now, maybe I’m just cynical, but I have no problems thinking that the coverage could be hyped up just a little for the sake of thus hyping the election. After all, this is the administration that always seems to find an Osama tape at just the right moment when poll numbers or support begin to dip.


Orhan Kahn
said…

Great post Woozie. I don’t believe there will be an invansion anytime soon but your passion has translated well to words.


R2K
said…

Those images are explosions : P

Anyone see the “rope trick” there?

Radiation flux makes the guy ropes and towers glow before the fireball even hits them.

The first one, the mottled bomb, might have been a failed bomb. I forgot the name, however. Shot Ruth maybe?


Gadfly
said…

I believe those are X-ray images, Alex.


K nig Hasem rder
said…

Sanctions is a shitty alternative to warfare.

Believe it or not, a government can not exist without it’s citizens. If the United Countries get to the point they have to deal with a bandit, such as Pak Gil Yon, I think sanctions are a great way to deal with them. The world has obviously reached a point where individual countries are dependent on each other. That is far more powerful than any warfare. In that way the United Countries can stay on the Defense as apposed to the Offence. Anyone who play chess knows it’s better to be a defensive player. Look what the offence is doing in Iraq and did in Vietnam. Who won the last justified war? The offensive shit fuck Hitler ended up with his own gun in his mouth. That’s what would happen in Korea, except for a gun in a dictators mouth it would be a nuke up the ass of every “axis of good.”

Citizens should share the responsibility of what there government is. Damn you to hell stupid Americans! At least those of you who vote with the Bible.


sammyray
said…

Woozie, I only wish thay idiot in North Korea could read what you wrote. And then understand it.

This will be perfect fodder for George Bush to declare a wartime emergency and pull an FDR… Bush: our next three term president!!!


Gadfly
said…

Alex: woops. Misread what you wrote.

Disregard


eccentric recluse
said…

I take exception to Glass House’s assertion thatAmericans who vote with the Bible are stupid. Stupidity knows few boundaries, and there are plenty of non-Bible thumpers who supported the current administration.

Those that push their own interpretation of any theology as being absolutely correct should be watched carefully. But please don’t push all who consider their faith in these decisions into the same barrel.


K nig Hasem rder
said…

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K nig Hasem rder
said…

The problem with theology is very simple. Theists don’t see themselves as humans. They see themselves as descendents of supernatural beings with supernatural rights, children of god. I agree that hating the religious is bad. I do not hate the religious I hate religion. Unfortunately those who can not see themselves outside the context of religion (most commonly known as radicals or fundamentalists) create a majority of the problems in the world. Who supports the “radicals”? the rest of the calm heard. Until people view themselves as one heard, aka Humanism, man will self destruct. There is no such thing as superman and even the actor who played him was smart enough to be an atheist.

I’ll grant you one thing, an atheist that believes in a natural supermen (cock suckers like Hitler) are just as dangerous as say the Catholic State. Their “Holy Seat” is an observer state” (two pinches away from a vote.) in the UN.

“Observer states are recognized as sovereign entities, like any actual member. They are free to submit a petition to join the General Assembly at their discretion. They can only accede to full membership after a vote in the Security Council. For several years prior to its admission after a referendum in 2002, Switzerland was also an observer state.” wikipedia


Black Santa
said…

Santa wants a lap dance.


Lord Omar
said…

Will I do Santa?


Ayman
said…

Holla At Ya Boy Black Santa


eccentric recluse
said…

Glass, I do not disagree with (most of) your assertions, but again, you draw a line that segregates anyone who believes in a view that is different from the basis of your assertion, that in itself is theism of sorts, and tends to elevate (in some minds) those who adhere to that belief above those who do not. That is the trait that is dangerous in any arena of human endeavor, be it religious, political, entreprenurial, or social. You are right, we are members of the same herd, but that does not require that we think or act identically, we simply need to be mindful that our neighbors opinion is his as much as mine is my own, and respect that.


K nig Hasem rder
said…

that in itself is theism

“Theism is the belief in the existence of one or more gods or deities.” wikipedia

You are right, we are members of the same herd

That’s not what theists advocate in their dogma, just ask the Jews. We are Intelligent Animals, period. People that believe in gods, segregate themselves with supernatural terms. If god actually did exist, there would only be one religion and it would be obvious to every living superman that it was the truth. However the “gods” have been elusive, hiding in the cracks, worded up by poor poets, and just flat out made up by groups of shit heads so they could control people through the ultimate fear. Eternal torture.

By the way, we should thing identically when it comes to human rights. I’m not advocating that anyone should be put in prison for believing in god anymore than someone that believes in the boogie man. However, I wouldn’t want a prime minister listening to the gods for advice on public policy.


The Reverend Jon Boles
said…

Glass: Regardless of a citizenry existing outside of its government, the fact still remains that economic sanctions strike the civilian population harder than the leadership. As such, it is a form of economic warfare upon the masses who generally are propagandized and have no idea about what their leaders are up to. People support their governments because they are seen as the people who maintain the economic and social order, and also because they are spoonfed to be complacent and accepting of the government’s initiatives. Thus, why people will never engage in rebellion in this country, barring some miraculous awakening from blind obedience. As such, while the civilian populations in countries can be dubbed guilty of willful ignorance and supporting people who cynically manipulate them by suppressing information, they aren’t really to blame for what the government does. Therefore, I don’t think the idea of starving them through sanctions is any better than blowing the shit out of them with missiles. That’s more of what I was getting at: Sanctions aren’t any different than warfare.

As for the idea of the United States staying on the defensive, I’m rolling with laughter. Ever since WWII, we have pretty much been militaristically involved in at least one country per year, the majority of them being covert coups d’etat or unprovoked expeditions of conquest.

Take a look at this site for more of an idea of what Uncle Sam really does in his spare time:

www.killinghope.org


K nig Hasem rder
said…

thing = think

sorry woosie, don’t nuke me…


Black Santa
said…

Some heavy shit up in here.


K nig Hasem rder
said…

I don’t think the idea of starving them through sanctions is any better than blowing the shit out of them with missiles.

You’re right, sanctions are a form of passive aggressiveness but I think their is a huge difference between Foreigners blowing bodies up and the local government starving it’s people. At the very least if we act in a passive aggressive manor the people will begin to hate their government not the UN. Preemptive action only serves to suppress the citizens rebellious actions and furthers the mentality that others should change things for them. I also think that during times of sanctions the world community should support mass deportation of the countries populous and drive a stick in the opressors peacefully. If a government got to the point were all of it’s people were on the brink of death the government itself would collapse. Governments are not made out of robots, they are made out of the people.

If you view government as an ideology your just a mad as people that view religion as a belief. Religions have their roots in faith not beliefs. Governments have their roots in the citizens. Since the U.S. has obviously been acting like a cowboy how do you think placing sanctions on oil to them would effect their behavior? Yeah, no one would starve immediately but their citizens would finally get the boost they need to change their government into something that actually works. If they didn’t and Georgy convinced them that the oil in the middle east was rightfully theirs and tried to take it with force the world would not stand for it and they would be taken down just like the Nazi’s.

IMHO


Anonymous
said…

“Governments are not made out of robots, they are made out of the people.”

Substitute “democracies” for “governments”.


K nig Hasem rder
said…

“democracies”…. Indeed! It would be nice to have one in the UN.

I have to give the America credit for one thing. They do seem to be the most creative country on the planet. If there were oil sanctions placed on them, they would probably developed a renewable energy source. They did invent Jazz and Rock-n-Roll and the Bomb after all….


Woozie
said…

I hate to disagree here, but sanctions will do absolutely nothing here, the North Korean people are already being starved by their government, yet the propaganda makes them believe it is all the fault of America. Placing sanctions will only starve them more. Unless China places the sanctions. My keyboard is acting shitty now, I’ll try a more complete comment later.

And the pictures are from the first 1 trillionth of a second of the Trinity test. 1 is when the bomb first went off, 2 is when the desert floor turned to glass, and 3 is the beginning of the mushroom cloud.


Ayman
said…

they are mad on fantasy football because you made the trade. go serve them up son


Anonymous
said…

Awesome post Woozie..I was wondering where you got that cool image from.


Woozie
said…

I got them from here.


The Reverend Jon Boles
said…

I’m in agreement with you on sanctions, Woozie. The people n North Korea aren’t going to fight the power anymore than Americans are going to try to take down The Man.

I just don’t see any reason to punish civilians who have just been bullshitted into believing Kim Jong and his flock are dapper little gents. Besides, placing sanctions on them is only going to enhance the Koreans’ anti-US propaganda, which is at times deserved and others not so much.


SCORPIOS LOVE TO FUCK
said…

Thanks, Woozie. That “ask me a question” thing went just splendidly…


K nig Hasem rder
said…

And you think dropping bombs with “God bless the USA” written on the side will be less harmful to the U.S.’s image?

The people in North Korea aren’t going to fight the power anymore than Americans are going to try to take down The Man

Americans would take down the man if they stopped believing Pro-US propaganda bullshit. However with the continuing “war on terror” installments, the citizens of the US are slowly giving up their liberties and are condoning it. Soon anyone suspected of being a terrorist will be put in jail without a trial. Who is a potential terrorist? Anyone who expresses an opinion that goes against the federal agenda. In God you trust. Which brings me back to my original statement. The citizens who willing eat the shit fed to them by there government are the government.


Woozie
said…

Well they’d have to stop eating the propaganda and have a chance of surrviving a fight with the fucking Armed Forces!


K nig Hasem rder
said…

If they stopped eating the propaganda then the people would have more power than the government. A collective Idea is bullet proof, their army is not. With sanctions and the citizens not promoting the government, the government would be forced to change. Again I want to state that I think a national force should be present to except people who want to defect from the country. If enough hungry people deserted the country the government would realize it is merely an unmanned gun.

As we have seen in Viet Nam the citizens would have a difficult time surviving a fight with the fucking Armed Forces of America.


K nig Hasem rder
said…

that’s international of course.


eccentric recluse
said…

In all probability, tough sanctions will not be imposed, as the starving masses of this runt country would simply move across the border into China, or less likely, Russia, which still makes their welfare somebody elses problem. The DPRK will not survive without a critical mass of people to support the regime, (sorry for the choice of terms), and would possibly move to stop the exodus. There really aren’t any good choices here. All that is left is to stop any proliferation that may occur as a result of the economic mess in the North.


SCORPIOS LOVE TO FUCK
said…

In the year 2000 Donald Rumsfeld was director of a Zurich engineering firm that sold North Korea $200 million worth of nuclear reactors.

In 2001 he resigned from his position in order to devote more time to helping George Bush commit mass murder.

In 2002 he declared North Korea a terrorist state and told them they can’t have any nukes.

Sound familiar?


Raspootin
said…

SLTF. Yes very familiar. Halliburton has certainly prostituted itself in Iraq.


Sanctions would certainly hurt the N. Korean civilians more than that of the military.

However, would the civilians prefer to be bombed?

Starved to death or bombed to death is not really much of a choice.

That is why I hope that a humanitarian approach will be reached. Of course, now it would appear that Pyongyang has just been blowing air out the butt.

Please excuse the pun, but there is now no evidence that a nuclear test was conducted


K nig Hasem rder
said…

At least starving people will run towards us. People being bombed naturally resist.


Anonymous
said…

did someone just fart?!!


The Reverend Jon Boles
said…

Glass, I don’t know if you’re misunderstanding me or what, but I don’t want war anymore than I want sanctions. I don’t think there’s any solution to the issue that makes any sense. There’s no good alternative. I despise American military might and economic sanctions equally. I no more want bombs with “God bless the USA” dropped on Korea than I want to see sanctions placed.


Orhan Kahn
said…

It is odd that you should ask if someone just farted, because I did. Small world.


K nig Hasem rder
said…

It’s a pickle, there is no doubt about it.

Well, without sanctions or military action what do you suggest the UN do? (really.. I’m not trying to be a dick) If counties defy the International “democracy” and start building nuke caches the world will see mini cold wars and a bad situation will simply get worse. Especially with countries that are obsessed with their military like North Korea. (any other country come to mind?) As we are seeing, proliferation of nuclear weapons won’t be stopped by asking nicely. Therefore we’re left in a world were they need to be monitored and controlled by a united voice of the world.


The Reverend Jon Boles
said…

Oh, don’t get me wrong. I didn’t think you were being a prick. I just wanted to make sure you didn’t think I was a pro-bombing harpy.

Personally, I don’t think there is any easy or real solution. Either way, an escalation in tension and a buildup towards some form of military action becomes inevitable, whether it is in the form of assisting the possible but unlikely rebellion of the North Korean citizenry or in the form of taking down the regime in a new Korean War with aid from a coalition of like-minded nations. Just now, North Korea is threatening warfare if sanctions are placed, which means if they follow through, sanctions are not a wise alternative to warfare.
I think the only solution you can ever find is through discourse, which is what saved our ass in the Cuban Missile Crisis of 1962. However, this is being ruled out it seems, as the White House denounced the possibility of negotiations.

In short: I pretty much think we’re fucked and an escalation of warfare is inevitable, which is the last thing I want. I’m pretty much resigned from hope, though, so I may be proven wrong.


eccentric recluse
said…

I don’t want anybody thinking that I am defending Rummy here, but the two ‘light water’ reactors that were sold were not suitable for enriching uranium or cooking other fissile fuels—they are of a design that is good only for power production, and are not modifiable to any other purpose. The reactors were OK’d by the Clinton administration, (who are now underfire in another “it’s all your fault” mudfest), in an attempt to ease the plight of the people of the DPRK.

I agree with Glass, not only are there no solutions, but just as few bad options to choose from.

Right now, opinions are all over the map as to whether this was a real nuclear test, with the US hinting that it was most likely a dud. I don’t know, that doesn’t seem to change anything. Kim’s behavior seems to suggest that he will continue his present course no matter what we do, (a popular concept in the world today), he will simply be a bit more polite if he gets his way.

It’s too bad we can’t send him to visit Jimmy Hoffa…


K nig Hasem rder
said…

It’s a damn shame that the White House can’t pull it’s head out of it’s ass. Personally, I don’t think there is anything wrong with every country in the UN having a nuclear bomb. I actually think it’s necessary. Why the US can have 3,000 and other countries can’t have 1 is sure indicator of who is the unjust dictator.

The best way to promote democracy is not with bombs, like Bush would have you believe. It’s by being democratic. The problem is that Pak Gil Yon is eating the US’s right wing propaganda. The Under God right is screaming apocalypse, if I were Pak I would be working on making shells too. The US is the true problem here.


SCORPIOS LOVE TO FUCK
said…

Eccentric Recluse, read some foreign press
on the matter.

Generally less biased.


eccentric recluse
said…

SLTF, I did read it and found it interesting, but not contradictory to my position, and it did not seem less biased, (albeit biased from a slightly different perspective). Rummy is a liar and general asshole, no argument there.

The light water reactors are good for power production, nothing more. the spent fuel that emerges from them can be reprocessed, but it yields a certain amount of waste and a certain amount of reusable material. That material, (like the fuel that went in in the first place) can be used for power production, or it can be chemically broken down in an attempt to isolate the potent isotope of uranium, (U235). The point is, these reactors do not give any advantage to an entity trying to pursue other nuclear ambitions.


Gadfly
said…

Those were “light water” reactors that, unlike other nuclear reactors, do not produce plutonium 239 which can be used to make atomic bombs. The light water reactors use enriched uranium, however, they do not use weapons grade uranium, and there is no reason to go through the expense of weaponizing the uranium.

The entire project was a carrot to try and tempt North Korea away from its nuclear weapons program. But Pyongyang didn’t hold up the other end of the bargain and so the reactor project was dropped.

Let’s not just read off the left-wing hymnal, people. Let’s think for ourselves.


SCORPIOS LOVE TO FUCK
said…

“Let’s not just read off the left-wing hymnal, people. Let’s think for ourselves”.

I love how an opposing viewpoint is always termed “leftwing” or “rightwing”, depending where the accuser stands.

That sure is thinking for yourself, Gadfly.


K nig Hasem rder
said…

How would introducing any nuclear technology be a deterrent? If you don’t want your neighbor to build a gun you don’t sell him a sling shots.

Nuclear energy is not the solution to the problem and it only serves to benefit corporations that exploit our dwindling resources. Uranium is a limited resource.


eccentric recluse
said…

Just to keep this going, so maybe Woozie can have another 100 comment day, I will say first that nuclear power is really not the issue. It is generally agreed upon that the light water reactors would not advance a weapons program, so they should be seen as an effort to help an impoverished nation to better itself by providing a cheap source of power for homes and factories. The reactors were to have been paid for and operated by South Korea, and fueled by the US.

This brings us to what we are dealing with. The DPRK has completely ignored the commitments that it has publically made, and now threatens the rest of the world, (though the rhetoric always refers to the US), if it does not continue to subsidize its people and pitiful economy. If sanctions are imposed, it will put the world squarely on one side opposed to the DPRK, with the ramifications shared, and presumably dealt with, by all.

just my $0.02.


K nig Hasem rder
said…

“fueled by the US”

I don’t think anything more needs to be said.


eccentric recluse
said…

Forgive me, but I don’t quite understand the comment. The US was offering to provide fuel for power generation, and assume responsibility for the spent fuel.
That combined with the fact that South Korea would actually pay for and operate the plants, is a rather generous gesture to a country whose deportment has been pretty much a big “f*ck you’ to anyone it deals with, including its two largest benefactors, China and Russia.

OK, rant off, shutting up. Have a nice day.


Gadfly
said…

Scorpio: Some of us are focused on the elimination of bias entirely (that being the holy grail that can never be fully achieved). Biased information is disinformation. The best way to avoid it is to check your facts against multiple, independent sources.

I’m not trying to be an ass. Just trying to explain my philosphy, such as it is.


Woozie
said…

Interesting-

The North Korean Foreign Ministry said today:

“If the U.S. keeps pestering us and increases pressure, we will regard it as a declaration of war and will take a series of physical corresponding measures.”


Solomon
said…

Hey there fruit loops, where did the self-serve dick sucking post go?


Woozie
said…

I figured I’d save it for another day, I had some refinments to make. But since you and your big, blabbermouth negroe lips broke the news, what the hell.


SCORPIOS LOVE TO FUCK
said…

Yes, Gadfly. By labelling something “leftwing” you definitely illustrate your commitment to eliminating bias.

I agree though…you’re not trying to be an ass, you have clearly already achieved that goal.

Find someone else to lecture. I’m not interested in your philosophy. One glance at your blog provided all the insight into your brain that I need.

One more thing: there are no “independent sources”. Any point of view is slanted if written by a human being.


K nig Hasem rder
said…

The US was offering to provide fuel for power generation

Let me get this strait. Having one’s own countries electricity dependent on another country is good? Especially with a country that pretty much does what ever it wants when it doesn’t get it’s way and has a president who is getting instructions from god. Why doesn’t the US just build a dome over the country and supply them their air?


Raspootin
said…

Napoleon Complex

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In the fields of psychology and psychoanalysis, Napoleon complex (or Napoleon syndrome) is a colloquial term used to describe a type of inferiority complex suffered by people who are short. The term is also used more generally to describe people who are driven by a perceived handicap to overcompensate in other aspects of their lives.

Kim Jong II is reportedly odd, but in no way stupid. Perhaps the above explains some of his motivations?

The only way he can get recognition from the UN and the US that he so desperately wants is to continue with his line of nuclear threats. As speculated, there may have not been an actual nuclear test at all, yet he is certainly getting attention…


Woozie
said…

Kim Jong Il is a communist attention whore with nuclear weapons. Beautiful!

Come on people, we can suck 100 comments out of this…


eccentric recluse
said…

I workin’ for ya Woozie, #96 here.

responding to Glass, having one’s own counties power generation dependent on another country is not the best situation, but it is what exists now, and it beats having one’s country having no power generation. And not that it matters, but this initiative was under the past administration, not the current one. The ones sometimes called “weak, bleeding heart liberals” were attempting to engage this backward pimple of a nation and bring them a bit further along the developmental chain. That it didn’t work does not undermine the motive or the effort.

It is time to treat them as equals, and let them make their own way in the world.


K nig Hasem rder
said…

If they were treated as equals they would be on the security counsel.


Raspootin
said…

All Kim Jong II wants is for Bush to meet with him. That is it. I doubt he even has weapons of mass destruction. A place on the UN council and a tete a tete with George W, I personally do not think that is too much to ask.

Why GW can t simply recognize the insecurity, have a meeting one on one with Kim Jong II? Kim Jong apparently has never even been on an airplane, so it would be like inviting the guest that would never show up, but feel good about being asked.


Raspootin
said…

This is not a filler in to make 100, simply something that should be noted:

Bush rejected the idea of direct U.S.-North Korea talks, saying the Koreans were more likely to listen if confronted with the combined protest of many nations

But he added: “I believe the commander in chief must try all diplomatic measures before we commit our military.”

Meaning that he simply does not want to be dipomatic

William Perry, a defense secretary under former President Clinton, said the U.S. government must abandon its desire for a new government in Pyongyang and agree to direct, one-on-one talks — even if on the sidelines of long-stalled six-party talks that also include China, South Korea, Japan and Russia.

Kim Jong does not want bi-party talks he wants to talk to GW, God know why, but that is what he wants, one on one.

“Until we make those two steps, we’re in a lost cause trying to deal with on North Korea,” Perry said in a conference call with reporters

and a good night to all.


Anonymous
said…

well good for you!


angel
said…

just to get yer numbers up!!!


Gadfly
said…

scorpy: it WAS left wing. It was moonbat city. YOU need to mix up your information sources, because the ones you’re taking from are biased as hell and you’re a moron for not knowing that.

I tried to have a decent debate with you and you can’t halt the name calling sixth-grade bullshit, so I’m done with you. Just blather your stupid shit and I’ll just ignore it.


SCORPIOS LOVE TO FUCK
said…

What the hell is “Moonbat City”?
You know nothing about me and you don’t know my information sources. (That one in particular was The Guardian, FYI…an English newspaper. ~England being a country in the United Kingdom.)

You want names? You’re a stupid, sexist, patronizing, obnoxious asshole with a cumshot-filled pink motherfucking blog.

Everytime you get put on the spot you beg off. So let’s add “coward” to that as well.


Anonymous
said…

c’mon SLTF, tell him how you really feel….


Lord Omar
said…

I blame the hostile atmosphere on Woozie.


Woozie
said…

The colored folk always get blamed don’t they? What is this, the third ever hostile argument here? Come on people, you can do better than that.


Lord Omar
said…

Holla at your boy!